Tuesday, January 11, 2011

A Domme's Role in Consent

Giles English brought up some interesting points in comments to my last post on consent.  It made me realize that I had written that post with the assumption that the sub would resist leaving unless things were simply terrible for them.

Any Domme that has been through several D/s relationships probably knows this usually isn't how things really work and that not all compromises are made by the sub.

In reality, unless you have a very extreme D/s relationship, you have to be able to connect on a personal level and the Domme must make sure things are good enough to keep him from leaving.  This can be done in a variety of ways.  Each way has sort of its own "face value" as well as a means to exploit it.  I don't feel that a little bit of exploitation is that bad, especially if the foundation is in fact a loving, caring relationship. 

-Incorporating enough of his kink/fetish/fantasies to keep his needs met. If it floats his fetish boat, he will have no reason to look elsewhere to fill those needs.  This can be exploited in a few ways, mildly by making his fetishes a reward, or more overtly by making him feel sexually awkward or inadequate because of his fetishes but roping him in by telling him that you understand him and that you're okay with the way he is (even when no other woman would be).  Occasionally you may want to act out one of his fantasies to keep him salivating at the thought of having it happen again.

-Ensuring the day by day relationship is loving and fulfilling.  Even if there is no sexual contact simply reminding him that you enjoy your relationship, you love him, and value him in your life.  This can be exploited rather severely.  Words are cheap but adequate to reference to a sub if he starts feeling otherwise.  e.g. Punishing him as "a sign of your love for him," or saying he "is the most important person in my life" while ignoring his needs.  Taken a step further logic can be twisted:  "I'm denying you orgasms because it brings me so much pleasure to see you squirm in frustration and don't you want to see me happy?  I know it makes you happy for me to be dominant."  It is much easier to exploit if the stakes are high e.g. marriage, common friends, etc. as he will have no where to turn to.

-Stretching his boundaries slowly.  While some might believe this shouldn't happen, many subs crave the submission of having their limits pressed.  This is a process that should happen over time and in the right settings.  Exploiting these cases really shows the weakness of the male.  Sexual conditioning (positive sexual reinforcement) can slowly turn a Domme's fetish into a sub's fetish.  Extended tease & denial can make a sub highly susceptible to "suggestion" and if he is horny enough and being brought to a climax he can be made to promise almost anything.  When he reaches that point you can either allow him release and expect it in the future or deny his orgasm and tell him he will be allowed release after he makes good on the promise.   

There are also some ways that aren't as emotionally healthy.  While they might be viewed with disgust or disdain by some, long-standing relationships that have grown a bit stale on the D/s front and where a Domme wishes to make major changes to the relationship may find these as being some of the only ways to get an honest behavioral change out of her sub.  Subs that have grown bored/complacent with a relationship can be incredibly moody/stubborn/resistant to adopting a more ideal submissive attitude.  Sometimes they need a kick in the butt to get back on track.  In many ways I consider these options to be healthier/easier than having a Domme terminate the relationship without communicating the seriousness of the situation to her sub.

-The threat of rejection.  He can have it her way or get out.  If she has exploited his fetishes at all (or decides to start now) he will know that his needs aren't "normal" and he will have a tough chance finding another woman willing to accept him as he is. 

-He is replaceable.  This is the other side of his threat of rejection.  While he will have a difficult time finding another Domme, she will have an incredibly easy time finding a dozen subs to take his place, so if he won't perform, she'll find a sub who can.  While it may very well take weeks/months to find another sub that she will mesh with on a deep level, he doesn't have to know that, and the thought of having a dozen applicants lined up at her door the next day will probably shake him up a bit.  The odds are in her favor. 

-Blackmail.  In most cases, the male sub fantasy can go into very deep, dark places.  I've also found that Dommes are more likely to demand a sub to share his deepest fantasies and quite unlikely to share her deepest fantasies with him.  While he could try to out her, it usually ends up sort of like this:
sub: "she got off by wearing a corset and thigh high boots, tying me up and spanking me and then making me give her oral."
Domme: "he wanted me to tie him up, spank him, fuck him up the ass with a dildo, and then make him serve me and my friends while dressed as a maid."

When it comes to who is at risk to lose the most face, advantage: Domme. A few timely pictures here and there when he is in the throws of a BDSM activity can reinforce this even more.

These situations aren't fair, but neither is the outcome of power exchange except that we acknowledge the risks and consent to the relationship as a whole.  I've always felt these were sort of bi-products of the situation and always felt they were part of the risk to consider before starting the relationship.

5 comments:

  1. Some of the techniques you list seema little morally dubious, e.g. "or more overtly by making him feel sexually awkward or inadequate because of his fetishes but roping him in by telling him that you understand him and that you're okay with the way he is (even when no other woman would be). "

    But then the idea of somebody manipulating me like that is a turn on. So I suppose there must be layers of possible consent. I'm very glad I'm not in a lifestyle relationship!

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  2. I agree with their morally dubious nature, but they seem much more dubious if they are happening consciously with those outcomes in mind. That gives rise to some further morally gray areas.

    Is it okay to use these if it turns him on and makes him feel fulfilled or gives him a feeling of being loved by going this far to keep him? Is it okay to use these in a loving relationship if he is unconsciously sabotaging the D/s dynamic and this would save the relationship in the long run? Is it okay if both parties are aware of what is going on with it and he has consented to her choice of action?

    I have a few friends in dysfunctional vanilla marriages that are subjected to worse types of manipulation and have found ways to roll with things and keep both parties at least reasonably happy over the years. They seem to have established a common understanding that she knows when to finally compromise since she knows very few men would put up with things that way and he knows very few women would tolerate the way he's able to let things slide off his back. That seems to keep them bound together and without any risk of divorce.

    I don't see these methods as being that different but I guess the real measure of whether or not it is good or bad really boils down to the happiness of those involved in the relationship.

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  3. Quote: 'Extended tease & denial can make a sub highly susceptible to "suggestion" and if he is horny enough and being brought to a climax he can be made to promise almost anything. When he reaches that point you can either allow him release and expect it in the future or deny his orgasm and tell him he will be allowed release after he makes good on the promise. '

    Nice try, but a promise under such circumstances if worth nothing, IMO. ;) The sub can always say that this promise was made under duress, that he was not in his right mind, etc. and that he chooses to renounce his invalid promise now that he regained his clear mind. *g* (Well, it's not even necessary to renounce a promise that is made under duress... but I think you get my point.) Not everyone will react this way, but nevertheless it would be IMO understandable and not surprising if he withdraws his promise.

    *lol*, you could as well sign a contract while you're drunk - that's a comparable situation. ^^ Noone would take this contract seriously.

    T&D is great fun and perhaps it can also be used as part (!) of a persuasion technique, but what really matters is the sub's attitude afterwards: Is he willing to give his promise once again, while he is not under sexual pressure? Does he choose to affirm his promise now that he really has a choice?
    If he feels that this promise was made under unfair circumstances he will question her method and his own pledge. If he is not convinced of his promise, he will renounce it. So it's much better if he sticks to his word because he is convinced about her wishes and demands.


    ~ Deborah ~

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  4. Quote: 'Is it okay to use these if it turns him on and makes him feel fulfilled or gives him a feeling of being loved by going this far to keep him? Is it okay to use these in a loving relationship if he is unconsciously sabotaging the D/s dynamic and this would save the relationship in the long run? Is it okay if both parties are aware of what is going on with it and he has consented to her choice of action?'

    I think the 'okay' depends on the effect this method has on him, as well as on her intention. If her technique affects him in a negative way, her positive intentions are of no use. There is a nice saying: "The path to hell is paved with good intentions"... And if the effects are positive, but she didn't mind violating and harming him potentially, I believe it's still unethical. Both aspects are important.
    If it's beneficial for both, she had his wellbeing on mind and it is not non-consensual I do not see any problems. Manipulation may not be for everyone, but there are people who use manipulative methods often and it works for them. So why not?

    As for the methods you mentioned above: The effectiveness depends on the people involved. I am (it should not be a big surprise for you ;) ) quite sceptical about some of them. My concerns are (and I keep in mind what I've quoted from your text):

    - 'making him feel sexually awkward or inadequate':
    It's strange to consider a loving relationship full of trust, care and intimacy where one partner tries to make the other partner feel awkward or inadequate. Wouldn't it be more logical and loving to ensure the other person that he is NOT sick or perverted or whatever? Building someone up instead of causing feelings of inadequacy is more consistent with a healthy relationship.
    - 'The threat of rejection'/'He is replaceable':
    Again the same problem. In my understanding it is a part of a loving, constructive relationship to show the other person 'yes, you are valuable. I cherish you. you can trust me, I will not simply let you fall'... Okay, to be honest (nearly) everyone is replacable for (nearly) everyone, but it's sad if someone uses this fact in a relationship as leverage. And it's sad if someone reject the other person without an efford to fix the relationship. If I threaten my partner/sub with 'I'll throw you out of my house' it's no wonder if he feels unhappy.
    - Blackmail/pictures:
    Ouch. Big ouch. I know there are subs who have a blackmail-fetish and they would even pay a pro-domme for such a scenarios (yes, seriously ;) ), but a) I assume we are not talking about these cases and b) this is a very destructive action. Oh, and not to mention: It is criminal. Can blackmail be a form of love and trustworthiness? Maybe in a very twisted sense some people would call it 'love', but for me that's contradictive.

    None of these 3 cases fall fall into the category 'okay', as far as I'm concerned. The terms 'dubious' or 'unacceptable' are more suitable. These are methods to keep the relationship alive, but at what cost?

    ~ D ~

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  5. Quote: "T&D is great fun and perhaps it can also be used as part (!) of a persuasion technique, but what really matters is the sub's attitude afterwards: Is he willing to give his promise once again, while he is not under sexual pressure? Does he choose to affirm his promise now that he really has a choice?
    If he feels that this promise was made under unfair circumstances he will question her method and his own pledge. If he is not convinced of his promise, he will renounce it. So it's much better if he sticks to his word because he is convinced about her wishes and demands."

    Unless he has consented to allowing that type of manipulation to happen to him. The dangerous part of this is post-orgasm attitudes vs. in the moment attitudes. After I climax I want a snack and to go rest and about 48 hours later I feel submissive again. I know this isn't good for our relationship nor what I want to be as a sub. I feel that under sexual stimulation my thoughts are my truest feelings and post-orgasm thoughts betray my deepest desires.

    If someone gets turned on "in the moment" and cheats on their significant other this is rarely forgiven in the same light, even if alcohol is involved. In a perfect world guys would be able to make sound decisions independent of their penises, but this imperfection is what yields these types of scenarios.

    Quote: "None of these 3 cases fall fall into the category 'okay', as far as I'm concerned. The terms 'dubious' or 'unacceptable' are more suitable. These are methods to keep the relationship alive, but at what cost?"

    Keep in mind I don't condone these methods in general, I just don't write them off in all cases all the times.

    Quote: "It's strange to consider a loving relationship full of trust, care and intimacy where one partner tries to make the other partner feel awkward or inadequate. Wouldn't it be more logical and loving to ensure the other person that he is NOT sick or perverted or whatever? Building someone up instead of causing feelings of inadequacy is more consistent with a healthy relationship."

    I think yes and no. In a perfect relationship it is better to convince them otherwise. At the same time the harsh reality is that if you are in advanced stages of kink/fetishes, you likely need them and this will likely lead to immediate rejection from say... 50% or more of the female population. I think it's a balance between a gentle lie or taking advantage of a cruel truth.

    The effects of my conditioning have taken their toll to the point where I can't get a hard-on without (at least the fantasy of) dominance. This makes me very self-conscious but it also makes me more dedicated to relationships where those quirks of mine are accepted.

    Revisiting this quote:
    "None of these 3 cases fall fall into the category 'okay', as far as I'm concerned. The terms 'dubious' or 'unacceptable' are more suitable. These are methods to keep the relationship alive, but at what cost?"

    I think in cases where the sub craves truly deep submission there are times when these fall into meta-consent. In such cases I don't see it as a bad thing for a Domme to utilize them, especially if it's a turn-on for the sub.

    I do think 90% of subs couldn't handle most of them. I think there are about 10% that could. I do think there are times where it's wrong but I can see other times where it would be okay. My stance is to acknowledge but not always agree, which I guess is more of an observational stance as I don't really have strong feelings in one way or the other as long as it falls into the categories where it is appropriate/applicable.

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